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DBPIT interwiew black magazine autumn 2006
Flavio, how important is a kind of sub cultural network for you?
FIRST OF ALL LET ME THANK YOU AND YOUR READERS FOR YOUR INTEREST IN MY ALIEN WORK...
NEEDLESS TO SAY A NETWORK TO LINK AS MANY ARTISTS AND FANS AS POSSIBILE OVER THE WORLD IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE; UNDERGROUND ARTISTS, PRODUCERS ETC SHOULD FORM A UNITED FRONT, MORE THAN AGAINST THE POWER OF THE MAJORS, WHICH CANNOT BE DEFEATED, AT LEAST AGAINST THE IGNORANCE AND THE SUPERFICIALITY OF THE “COMMERCIAL” PEOPLE...OK, DREAMS ;-)
Would you agree that less and less concerts take place and these are visited by less and less people? Have you got any idea why this is the case?
I WOULDN’T SAY SO; IT SEEMS TO ME THERE ARE A LOT OF EVENTS AROUND, SMALL AND MORE RELEVANT AS WELL...SOMETIMES THEY ARE GOOD, MORE OFTEN THEY ARE CRAP, THAT’S MAYBE THE MAJOR POINT...AND, AS USUAL, PEOPLE TEND TO GO SEE WELL KNOWN ARTISTS RATHER THEN NEWCOMERS EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES TICKETS ARE OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE...
When you played in Wetzlar you were not happy with your performance. What was in your eyes the biggest problem?
LET ME SAY THE WETZLAR GIG, AS A WHOLE, WAS ONE OF THE BEST EVENTS I’VE PARTICIPATED IN: THE VENUE WAS COSY AND OF THE RIGHT SIZE, PEOPLE WERE VERY FRIENDLY, BEER EXCELLENT AND THERE WAS A GOOD TURNOUT; UNFORTUNATELY SOMETHING WENT WRONG WITH MY OR WITH THE SOUND ENGINEER’S EQUIPMENT, I DON’T KNOW...AS A RESULT MY FX-BOX DIDN’T WORK AND MY BASES WENT INTO A CONTINUOS FEEDBACK ...IT WAS A NIGHTMARE, I SHOULD HAVE STOPPED PLAYING: PEOPLE DEFINITELY GOT A WRONG IDEA OF DBPIT LIVE!
During your performance you showed some funny films you yourself have made. Do you feel an affinity to science fiction films in general and American sci-fi-films from the 50ies in particular?
YES I LOVE SCI-FI FLICKS, ESPECIALLY THE LOW-BUDGET AND NAIVE ONES, NOT THE HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTERS ONLY BASED ON TECHNOLOGY...I USED TO READ A LOT OF SCIENCE FICTION AS A KID AND IT’S ALWAYS CHARMED ME: SCI-FI CAN BE A GREAT WAY TO DEAL WITH HUMAN WEAKNESSES, FEARS, MENTAL DISEASES, HOPES...IT’S NOT MERELY SPACESHIPS AND FREAKY MONSTERS!
I’M A BIG FAN OF GODZILLA, TOO (THE REAL THING, NOT THE AMERICAN PHONEY LIZARD...), AND I DEDICATED A TRACK TO HIM IN “TROMPOZMO”
Are you interested in the work of Ed Wood (“Plan 9 from outer space” etc.)?
OF COURSE I’VE SEEN ALL HIS MOVIES; HE REALLY BELIEVED IN HIS IDEAS AND PURSUED THEM WITH NO MONEY...AND QUITE A LOT OF CRAZINESS ;-))
What do you think is the common ground between Circus Joy, Wertham and yourself?
MUSICALLY SPEAKING, NONE, I GUESS...I MEAN, OUR PROJECTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM ONE ANOTHER; BUT WE ARE GOOD FRIENDS AND WE ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME DERANGED FAMILY OF DAMNED ARTISTS WHO WANT TO KILL SOMEONE ELSE’S BRAINS WITH OUR VERY PERSONAL AND OUTLANDISH MUSIC
Everybody needs a creative source. What is yours?
DISTRESS, SORROW, LOVE, HATE...LIFE, IN A WORD
Is there a connection between friendship and working together musically?
OF COURSE! MAYBE THAT’S NOT A MUST, I MEAN, YOU CAN COLLABORATE WITHOUT BEING TRUE FRIENDS, BUT I FEEL WHEN MUSICIAN REALLY KNOW EACH OTHER IN PRIVATE LIFE, THEIR OUTPUT IS SOMEHOW SPECIAL! IT IS AS IF YOU CAN SENSE THAT...
You told us that in some Italian magazine somebody had compared one of your albums to Nurse With Wound. Do you see similarities between Steven Stapleton’s and your work?
NEEDLESS TO SAY, SUCH A STATEMENT MADE ME VERY PROUD, I’M A BIG FAN OF NWW, HE’S A GREAT MASTER!--- YES MAYBE THERE ARE SIMILARITIES, IN THE WAY WE EXPERIMENT, EVEN THOUGH THE RESULTS ARE PRETTY DIFFERENT
Your new CD "S.U.T.U.B." reminds us strongly of early Ain Soph-releases. You and ClauDedi are friends and you have dedicated the track "Esperimento Andato A Male" on your new 3’-CD Freak Nerve-Cell From Outer Space" to him. What can you say about your friendship?
YOU MEAN ABOUT ME AND CLAUDEDI? WE’VE KNOWN EACH OTHER SINCE WE WERE 15...AND I WILL NOT TELL YOU FOR HOW LONG, THEN! ;-)
I’VE LIVED THROUGH ALL HIS STAGES IN LIFE, SEEN ALL HIS BANDS AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE HOW GENIOUSLY HE MANAGES TO COME UP WITH NEW AND INTERESTING IDEAS...HE ALWAYS WANTS TO ROCK THE BOAT; I BELIEVE HE’S EVEN UNDERRATED, HE DESERVES MORE CONSIDERATION...AND OF COURSE I OWE HIM AND MUSHROOM’S PATIENCE THE BIRTH OF DBPIT...
On the cover of "S.U.T.U.B." it is said that you wanted to record an industrial-CD without any elctronic effects. You consider the album as "unplugged adventure". Could you briefly say something about the idea behind it?
THAT’S VERY INTERESTING AND BRINGS US BACK TO CLAUDEDI: HIS WAS THE IDEA TO CHALLENGE INDUSTRIAL ARTISTS INTO DOING SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY UNUSUAL FOR THEM; I ACCEPTED AND REALISED THAT ALBUM WITHOUT USING ANY EFFECT, SYNTH, IN A WORD, NO ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER...
I RECORDED SOUNDS, INSTRUMENTS, VOCALS THEN EDITED IT ALL WITHOUT MODIFYING ANYTHING; I THINK THE RESULT IS QUITE INTERESTING, AND THE VOCALIST WAS SUPERB! IT WAS INCREDIBLE TO WITNESS HER CREATE THE MELODY AND THE BEAT OVER SOME SIMPLE, UNUSUAL SOUNDS...
Is this CD also a reaction to the numerous releases that consist mainly of thinly and badly manipulated samples?
I DIDN’T DO IT WITH THAT PARTICULAR PURPOSE, BUT, YES, IN A WAY IT IS; MORE OFTEN THAN NOT INDUSTRIAL OR ELECTRONIC MUSIC HAVE BECOME JUST AN EXCUSE TO SHOW HOW GOOD SOMEONE IS WITH A COMPUTER...IF YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN
There are a number of vocals on the album. Will future-releases go in a similar direction? What kind of expression does a track with vocals have?
THE COLLABORATION WITH ANNA CONSUELO, THE VOCALIST, IS STILL ON AND SHE IS SUPPOSED TO PARTICIPATE IN MY NEXT LIVE GIGS; I DO HOPE THIS ARTISTIC UNION WILL LAST A LONG TIME BECAUSE SHE IS A GENIOUS...I’VE ALWAYS LOVED VOCALS, BUT MY OWN VOICE IS AWFUL SO IT CANNOT BE USED...NOW, THE SINGER ALLOWS ME TO USE MY LYRICS AND ENABLES ME TO LET MY THOUGHTS KNOWN EVEN BETTER...BESIDES, ANNA CONSUELO REALLY ADDS THE MAGIC TOUCH TO THE PROJECT...
What can you tell us about the split 7’ with Feine Trinkers Bei Pinkels Daheim? Can this Christmas-7’ with your contribution “Stille Nacht” be seen as a kind of joke?
I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU EXACTLY MEAN BY “JOKE”...
THAT 7” IS PART OF THE SPLIT-PROJECT THAT THE “KONIGIN” OF INDEPENDENT LABELS, KIMSONJA, THOUGHT OF...SHE IS VERY MUCH INTO GRAPHIC ARTS AS WELL AS INTO MUSIC AND SHE TAKES CARE OF ARTWORK OF HER RELEASES IN A VERY SPECIAL AND PASSIONATE WAY: WHITE RABBIT IS GOING TO RELEASE THE SECOND PART OF THE TRINKERS/TRUMPETER JOB IN THE FORM OF TWO 3”-CDS IN A STUNNING PACKAGING SHE DESIGNED HERSELF, THAT IS A MASTERPIECE ALONE!
THE 7” ANTICIPATED BY ONE YEAR THE CD AS A SPECIAL CHRISTMAS RELEASE THAT’S WHY I DECIDED TO DO MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT OLD TRADITIONAL SONG...
How important is humour for your work?
I COULD SAY WITHOUT HUMOUR DBPIT WOULD NOT EXIST...IT’S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE NOT TO TAKE ONESELF MUCH TOO SERIOUSLY, BUT ALWAYS WORKING...VERY SERIOUSLY, THOUGH! I FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS MYSELF THROUGH MY MUSIC, REGARDLESS TO WHAT OTHERS MAY THINK OF IT, AND SOMETIMES I REALLY FEEL LIKE MAKING FUN OF LIFE; BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, LIKE LABELS, PRODUCERS, JOURNALISTS, OTHER MUSICIANS ETC, I THINK I AM QUITE DEPENDABLE
You often collaborate with others. Is there a certain point when working together is no longer acceptable, can no longer be endured?
I LOVE COLLABORATIONS: WHEN U KNOW WHAT ANOTHER ARTIST CAN DO U KNOW HOW HE/SHE CAN IMPROVE YOUR WORK BY ADDING HIS/HER OWN SKILL AND CREATIVITY; AND UNLIKE IN A BAND, COLLABORATIONS COME AND GO WITHOUT HARD FEELINGS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT AND MAKES IT EASIER TO GET BY: WHEN IT’S NOT ACCEPTABLE ANYMORE ALL U HAVE TO DO IS NEVER ASK FOR ANYTHING ELSE ;-)
We know that you have a rather critical attitude towards globalisation. We’ve often talked about that. Could you briefly present your criticism?
I THINK GLOBALISATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CULTURAL EXCHANGE, IS THE APPALLING RESULT OF EXPLOITATION; THEREFORE WHEREAS THE WORLDWIDE NETWORK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND A COMMON LANGUAGE ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, GLOBALISATION IS KILLING TRADITIONS AND THE INTEREST IN SOMETHING DIFFERENT; I ALSO THINK IS THE WRONG ANSWER TO PEOPLE’S FEARS: MANY FEEL REASSURED TO FIND THE SAME THINGS WHEREVER THEY GO WHETHER THEY ARE FOOD OR ITEMS OR SONGS OR WHATEVER…
That’s related to the last question. Do you disapprove of competition?
NO, IF COMPETITION IS FAIR…THE POINT IS, CAN IT EVER BE SUCH?
Have you got any idea how the present capitalist economy, which seems to be acting in a rather pathological way at the moment, can be transformed into a less immoderate and a more sustaining one?
NO, IF I HAD I WOULD PROBABLY WIN THE NOBEL PRIZE, OR MAYBE I WOULD BE A LEADER…OR A TERRORIST…
You live close to the Vatican. Has the flood of pilgrims finally subsided?
UNFORTUNATELY THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN…THE VATICAN IS THE MOST POWERFUL AND PERFECT MONEY-MAKER MULTINATIONAL; YOU CANNOT IMAGINE HOW DEEPLY THEY INTERFERE WITH ITALIAN POLITICS AND ECONOMY ; I’M NOT TOO CRAZY ABOUT LIVING THAT CLOSE TO THE HOLY STATE…
Have you got any explanation why more and more people embrace religion (at least on a superficial level)?
BASICALLY IGNORANCE AND FEAR; IT’ S UNBELIEVABLE TO HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE STILL SAYING THAT THEY “BELIEVE” BECAUSE SO THEY ARE TAUGHT TO OR BECAUSE “YOU NEVER KNOW…”
IT’S EASIER TO MAKE DO WITH READY-MADE ANSWERS TO THE MYSTERIES OF EXISTENCE THEN TO LOOK DEEP INTO ONESELF IN A PERSONAL QUEST TO TRUTH…
In a novel by A.S. Bhatt one of the protagonists says that “It is natural for human being to make up powers. […] I make an unnatural effort. I stare into the dark and abstain from imagination. It’s a destructive way and the rewards are meagre.” Would you rather be one who stares into the dark void of reality and transitoriness or would you consider yourself to be someone who believes in powers (God etc.) in order to avoid becoming mad?
I’D RATHER STARE AT THE SKY, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND HOW ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS WHERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE UNIVERSE…BUT, NO, GOD IS NOT MY CUP OF TEA…
What do you expect and What can we expect from you?
I EXPECT TO PLAY AT ROYAL ALBERT HALL, TO SELL 5 MILLIONS COPIES OF MY NEXT CD, THEN YOU MAY EXPECT A POSTCARD FROM MARS!!!
FOR THE TIME BEING, I’LL KEEP ON HAVING FUN AND MAKING FRIENDS WITH MUSIC…AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS INTERVIEW
